Grrr

May. 11th, 2005 08:11 am
sesquipedality: (Clue Fairy)
[personal profile] sesquipedality
That's the second American I've seen making a request with the phrase "I need x." Have these people never heard of the word 'please'?

Date: 2005-05-11 08:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gailsedotes.livejournal.com
only when shop staff learn how not to ignore them (everyone)
;)

Date: 2005-05-11 08:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] j4.livejournal.com
We get requests like that to webmaster all the time, usually along the lines of "i need information to funding in university Camrbdige , you send now". I've always put it down to a lack of proficiency with English ... which might apply to your Americans as well.

Date: 2005-05-11 12:19 pm (UTC)
mangosteen: (Default)
From: [personal profile] mangosteen
Context?

Date: 2005-05-11 10:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sesquipedality.livejournal.com
Roleplaying, so the lack of social skills might be explicable.

Date: 2005-05-21 12:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] owdbetts.livejournal.com
I think it's dangerous to read too much into such things.

The problem is that the basic rule about 'please' and 'thank you' is that it's required to utter these phrases in precisely those contexts in which they are traditionally expected, but they generally carry no real meaning...

Omiting such a word is generally just a protocol mismatch; these words don't typically carry any sincere meaning in any case (though they can do, in the right context).

I'm reminded of something I was told many years ago, namely that in some Indian cultures 'thank you' is reserved solely for circumstances in which someone does something they're not obliged to. And yet people coming to the UK from (those parts of) India quickly have to learn our use of 'thank you' otherwise they seem incredibly impolite. You could easily argue that this Indian usage is more sincere, and the British habit of, for instance, thanking a shop keeper for giving you the change that you are legally entitled to is pretty meaningless, and devalues the phrase...

It's all just protocol, and we tend to notice when people break protocol, but that's generally just all it is -- a protocol mismatch...

-roy

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