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A rare post from me, because I wanted to get this out of my system somewhere where it would stay around. There are some words (apparently largely neologisms) that are so colossally unhelpful that I feel the world would be a better place if people just stopped using them. Why? Because they seem tailor made to polarise, insult, and genuinely prevent constructive dialogue. Here are the three I can think of. Please suggest more in the comments.

Chav

Seriously, there are many good reasons to hate people in this world. The fact that they dress and talk in the same way that all their friends do isn't one of them. I remember being at an LRP event once where a bunch of people in orc masks were discussing the working class' terrible taste in clothes. It's not that any of the people who were doing it were bad people. It's more that the word chav had just labelled people as other. It encourages people to judge others on what they wear how how they speak rather than what they do or what they say. And it carries a strong implication that working class people are scum. It's stereotyping pure and simple, and I'd like it to stop.

Cager

Descriptive noun sometimes used by cyclists and bikers to describe car drivers. Again, this word smacks of superiority. It's sometimes quite difficult to get car drivers to engage with the idea that cyclists are road users too, but this word does nothing except polarise and anger the very people cyclists are trying to reach. There are a lot of entitled car drivers out there, but being derogatory to them only lowers the debate to their level. Cyclists are a minority, and if we are to effect change, it won't be by promoting an "us and them" mentality which is ridiculous, since many (most?) cyclists drive as well.

Mansplaining

Yes, it is very annoying when one expresses one's frustrations on the Intarwebs, only to elicit a bunch of 'helpful' responses when all you really wanted was sympathy. It can be patronising, and being patronised is generally annoying. However, there are a couple of problems I have with this term. Firstly, the people doing the patronising are doing so because they've misunderstood the nature of your communication, and in their own way are expressing sympathy by trying to help with the problem. Geeks tend to be solution rather than emotion focused, and emotional content of written messages is enormously difficult even if you're very good at understanding emotional content face to face. So when someone is accused of "mansplaining", they are essentially being slapped in the face for offering the wrong kind of sympathy. This same message can be expressed succinctly and less judgementally by the phrase, "thanks, but I was actually just venting".

But "mansplaining"? Isn't that right on a par with "hysterical" for gender biased assumptions? I concede it's likely that on average women focus more on the emotional content of a message and men focus more on practical solutions, but like all such generalisations, this one is essentially meaningless. I've spent years working at a job where my main role is to help people come up with practical solutions to problems. Without wanting to make this about me, I'll admit that I have, from time to time, "mansplained" or "misread a request for sympathy as a request for help" as I like to call it. And frankly I'm sure there are many men who are excellent at telling the difference between the two and never "mansplain". So why make it about gender? It's the behaviour that's problematic, not the gender of the people doing it. Isn't doing that just implicitly asserting that men are emotional cripples? Which to me seems about on a par with suggesting my genitalia oblige me to like shoe shopping.

Labelling the activity in this way might be cathartic, but does it accomplish anything else other than to piss those misguidedly trying to help off? Again, it just doesn't seem constructive.

Date: 2012-05-16 09:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] triskellian
Totally with you on 'chav', but I don't think 'cager' and 'mansplaining' are in the same category, because in both cases they're words used about members of dominant groups by members of less-powerful groups (as a driver, I find 'cager' kind of rude, but that's partly the point of it, although of course I'm also a cyclist so probably not best placed to judge).

Mansplaining doesn't actually mean 'offering advice instead of sympathy', it means being a man offering patronising advice which assumes the female recipient of said advice is stupid and in need of your greater wisdom, and it's more usually done by acquaintances or strangers than friends - there's an implication of overstepping bounds in offering advice at all. It's a label for a rude behaviour, not for someone who is genuinely and politely trying to help but doing so misguidedly.

Date: 2012-05-16 10:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lanfykins.livejournal.com
Agreed on 'mansplaining'; I was trying to think of how to voice my reservations about that interpretation of its meaning. It's all about the sheer set of patronising assumptions.

I think of it as a bit like the way ISP tech support insist on explaining to you in painful detail how to get your router's IP address, and tell you you're confused and just need to listen when you try to hurry them onto the business of what settings they actually want to know about. Only worse, because at least you've normally asked tech support for help. Mansplainers would cold-call you to say 'Now, in the bottom left of your screen can you see a button that says 'Start'?'

Though, let us be fair, I have seen women do it too. And it gets right up my nose whatever gender does it :)

Date: 2012-05-17 05:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sesquipedality.livejournal.com
That would certainly make "mansplaining" less objectionable, although there's a danger in assuming that somone offering advice is assuming people are stupid. Intelligence is not a binary quality - [livejournal.com profile] markbanang frequently has to explain basic practical engineering things to me because my brain simply doesn't seem to be wired that way. That doesn't make me stupid, or him patronising. And I have definitely seen people I regarded as merely trying to be helpful accused of "mansplaining".

I think the point about the sexist nature of the term remains valid whatever definition you choose. The activity you describe may be perpetrated mostly by men against women, but the term is still polarising, and likely to offend men who don't engage in such behaviours.

I take your point about these things being terms used by minorities, but I'm not sure the same isn't true of the word "chav", which arguably, at least in some people's minds, encompasses the majority of the population. I think my point is that just because a word is being used by a repressed minority, that doesn't automatically stop it being unhelpful. As a non-driving cyclist, I would never use the word "cager", for this reason.
Edited Date: 2012-05-17 05:46 am (UTC)

Date: 2012-05-17 06:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aardnebby.livejournal.com
Thank you for pointing this out! That "word" really annoys me, particularly as a small but significant number of women do exactly the same thing when "explaining" subjects men couldn't possibly understand without painstaking explanations! Examples are looking after children or aspects of contraception.

Date: 2012-05-17 07:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] undyingking.livejournal.com
I have seen it used quite a bit in this sort of loose way. Not specifically advice instead of sympathy, but other general kinds of unwelcome or inappropriate advice thought typical of men. I think the horse might have bolted on the original precise meaning.

<* avoids temptation to illustrate by 'mansplaining' with a patronizing comment about how actually words can sometimes change their meanings through usage evolution ;-) *>

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